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AS if losing consistently to England was not bad enough, a lot of the old enemy's success has been built on Australian coaching and know how.
In former Victorian and Tasmanian quick David Saker as England's bowling coach and with Jason Gillespie in charge at Yorkshire, Australia's influence is high.
And to top it off, even current Australian coach Darren Lehmann coached at Yorkshire and has had current squad members Joe Root and Monty Panesar refining their craft at his Adelaide cricket academy.
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England spearhead James Anderson rated Saker as the best bowling coach he has played under.
"I think just the way he works out a batsman and comes up with plans for me, we are on the same wave length for that sort of thing," Anderson said yesterday in Hobart.
"We build up the pressure around that.
"He's probably more tactically minded than technical from a coach's point of view.
"He's probably the best bowling coach I've worked with tactically.
"At the stage of my career, I don't really need any technical help, it is more the tactically side I need help with."
While on his first Ashes tour of Australia, opening batsman Root was down under during the last Ashes campaign attending the Darren Lehmann Cricket Academy and playing Adelaide club cricket for Prospect.
"He (Lehmann) didn't spend a lot of time at the Academy but it was good to get his thoughts on a few things about batting," Root said.
"He's obviously had a very good career as a player and had a good start to his coaching career as well so it was good to get some tips and help from him."
Root has also benefited from Gillespie's tutelage at Yorkshire, as has fellow tourists Jonathan Bairstow and Gary Ballance.
"He's been brilliant, he's done a fantastic job at Yorkshire, he's just a really nice bloke," he said.
"He's a fantastic coach and I've learned a lot from him.
"All the lads at Yorkshire respect him very highly for what he did in the game as a player but more so as a coach as well."
However, Root said Gillespie had not turned complete traitor when it came to national secrets.
"Australians don't like to give too much away but he's been very good in helping me develop my game over the past two years and he's done everything he can to try and progress my cricket as you would expect from your coach," Root said.
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